Friday, January 20, 2012

Thrasher Fixed Gear Bike (Walmart) Rebuilt and Upgraded for 200.00 Total Investment?

Hello and Welcome,
I am not a huge fan of Walmart. Or at least I like to think I am not.
But after hearing from a friend that they had seen exercise bikes on display there. I thought to myself, what can it hurt to look? Well after not being able to find an exercise bike that I wanted, I decided to wander over to the bicycles... Just to get a look at the latest in Department Store bicycle offerings. I had no intentions of making a purchase. Then I spotted the last thing I ever expected to see, a single speed bike with a flip-flop rear hub. However the brakes looked really cheap as did the crank, seat-post, pedals, handlebars and grips. But the frame looked like it could get the job done. And the wheel-set looked entry-level. But they did spin fairly straight, well the rear one did anyway. I`m thinking, this could possibly work with a few improvements. Then I saw the price tag $99.00!!
Above: Oh God forgive me! I have sercombe to temptation! ok seriously, I was doing the math in my head. How much did it cost me to build the Schwinn lugged frame fixie? How much will it cost me to make this thing reliable? Then I came up with the perfect excuse. It was as if the Devil himself were whispering in my ear. "You can make this a really cool bike for under 200.00 Then you can blog about it!" Well There you have it, that is how I came to purchase this department store fixed gear bike. I am reminded of a line from the movie Tombstone when Doc Holiday said "That's what I love about Wyatt. He can talk himself into anything."
Above: A shot of the rear hub and sturdy looking 1/8 chain. The rear rim is yellow with a red tire and the front red with a yellow tire. I would have preferred they both be the same. I decided to switch the tires so they match the rims. My hope was it would give it a taller look, and to a degree I think it did just that.
Above: A shot of the "cheesy looking" front brake. ˈCHēzē Adjective: cheap, unpleasant, or blatantly inauthentic. Yeah! that is the word I was looking for alright. I have some vintage alloy (side-pull) caliper and center-pull brakes in the shop. I think I can polish-up something that will get the job done and look good doing it. I will not be installing a rear brake. And the resin pedals are going to be replaced with Avenir dual-sport pedals with old style clips and straps.
I can just see me trying to perfect my skid with my feet sliding of the plastic pedals. Did you ever notice how many other names they have for plastic?
Above: The seat-post and clamp will be replaced. In fact I just received the "your order has been shipped" e mail this morning. I think I have spent about 75.00 or 80.00 so far. The only purchase left is the handlebar tape. Which I now need since I have decided to make a set of flop and chop bars for the fixie. So I should be right on target when finished.
Above: I stripped the bike down to the frame and upon closer inspection the crank and head-set were both set too tight. But what really bothered me was some of the grease. It looked like it had been scraped-up off a dirty floor. And there were little pieces of dirt or scrap from the manufacturing process. It appeared that nothing was cleaned-out before greasing.
Above: This photograph of grease wiped off the bottom bracket bearings was an after thought. This pic by no means shows the worst of it. The little bits of grit on this paper towel are barely visible in the photograph so I have marked them for you. Basically I needed to clean all the bearings, races and cups then I re-greased everything. And of course reset the bottom bracket to the proper tightness (or lack there of). The headset was the same story just clean everything off and regrease and re-assemble to the proper setting (no play/no grind)
You have seen me do enough bottom brackets and headsets on here for a while. So let`s start with the front wheel axle (ABOVE) with the free bearings. The first thing I need to do is break this over tightened axle loose.



Above: Here I am loosening the front axle using two adjustable wrenches. Once the cone nut breaks loose only one side is going to be removed easily. But that is no problem. We only need one side to be loose to grease both sides. I will hold the bottom nut (tight side)so the axle does not spin as I and loosen the top side (by hand) to expose the bearings for greasing.
Above: At this point you want to keep the exposed bearings facing upwards. You do not want these all over the floor. You also want to keep the opposite side on a table or bench-top. You also do not want the axle sliding out of there. I greased these bearings in place, buy just putting a little grease on my finger tip and packing it into the bearings. I would only do it this way with a new bike.

Above: Here after greasing the bearings I am replacing the cone/nut by hand,leaving the lock-nut off for now.
Once I screw the cone into place (snug not tight) I just wipe-off the excess grease with a paper towel.


Above: Now I have flipped the wheel over and loosened (unscrewed) the top side which is now backed-off enough for me to wipe-clean and re-grease the bearings. I am careful not to back it off so far that the opposite side cone comes off the threaded axle. With a finger on the end of the axle, I can feel when I have backed the top side out to the max. I just stop when the bottom end is flush with the axle cone-nut.

Above: Once I have wiped and re-greased the bearings I can now screw it back down into place. As always not too tight (no play no grind) Afterwards I can flip the wheel over again and replace the (thin) lock nut on the opposite side. When replacing the lock-nut I can use a cone wrench to hold the adjustment on the cone while tightening the lock nut. I suspect this is where the factory screws up and the axles end up being set way too tight. Give it a spin when finished holding the axle at each end. If it feels too tight or too loose try again. Remember "No Grind and No Play" is what your looking for. Now I am ready to move on to the rear wheel bearings.
Above: Removing the fixed gear cog`s lock-ring using a lock ring tool. The lock-ring is reverse threaded. So turn it clock wise to loosen it.
Above: The fixed cog is normal threaded (righty tighty - lefty loosey.) So using a Chain-Whip crank it counter-clockwise to remove it.
Above: This is not how you would want to remove a freewheel unit normally. (single or multiple cog) But there are no slots for a freewheel removal tool. So I will take it apart and remove it in pieces. If I do use a freewheel unit on the bike it will be a freewheel with slots for a removal tool. I`ll save these parts but I doubt I will ever use them.
Above: The remnants of the single freewheel unit. I`m not sure why it was made this way (no slots for a removal tool) Maybe they figured it being a 99 dollar bike, it would not last long enough to ever need a new single freewheel cog. Maybe someone can enlighten me about this design. I did not bother installing a freewheel unit on the other fixed gear bike I built. I do not plan on climbing any big hills on it anyway. It only bothers me because I think it is a stupid design. So lets move onto the rear axle bearings.
Above: I loosened the cone/nuts in the same way I did the fronts. Here I have added some fresh grease and I am ready to screw the cone back into position.
Above: I am now screwing the threaded cone back into position. Like on the front I will set aside the lock-nut for now. I am now ready to flip the wheel over and grease the bearings on the free-wheel side.
Above: Again just like the front axle I will back this side out while holding the bottom side of the axle. And I will be careful not to back it out too far. In this pic you can see I have already greased the bearings and am ready to close it back up.
Above: This pic really shows how the tight side is undisturbed. When I screw this back in I am actually turning the axle. And this side is being drawn back in by the other side being tightened back up. This is why I have set the lock nut (the thin nut)aside for now on the other end. Once it is all closed up again and not to tight or loose I will then thread the lock nut back into place. And I can hold the cone in the proper position by using a cone wrench to hold the cone from tightening while I tighten the lock nut. Again like the front you will need to check this for grind or play before installing the wheel on the bike.
Above: Here is the rear wheel back on the bike for testing, the fixed cog is working fine. I have temporally re-installed the original crank for testing. The new crank and post should arrive in a few days. I had already ordered grips before I decided to change the handlebars. I will be wrapping the new bars. But I`m sure I will use the grips on a future project.
Above: Here I have the wheels back on with the temporary crank. Lets move on to the handlebars.
Above: I have marked the spot where I want to make my cut and locked it into the vise for cutting. I am not cutting into the vise :) I had to let go for a sec to take this pic.
Above: To get the bars cut evenly I use the first cut piece as a templet to mark the other side.
Above: I think these flop and chop handlebars are going to work fine. And once they are all taped-up I think they will look good too. I think I will mount this front brake lever differently so I can compare the two.(this one to the Schwinn fixie)
Above: I think this looks fine, but I think it will look better if I shorten-up the reach on the adjustable lever. I just need to remember to do this before I trim the cable.
Above: A hack saw can leave razor sharp edges and burs on the freshly cut surfaces. It is best to file these off right away. Not only can these sharp edges cut you, they can also cut into your handlebar tape.
My parts order has not arrived yet, So I`m going to close for now. I will get back to work on the Fixie as soon as the parts are delivered. Look for the "Thrasher Fixie Finished" post within a week. Until Next Time, Please Ride Safe and Remember to Always RESCUE, RESTORE & RECYCLE Cheers, Hugh

20 comments:

  1. Fascinating!
    When we were on the bike tour this year, we ended up stopping in a "W" once in the wilds of Minnesota. Since we're bike nerds, we couldn't help but check out the bike section, and spotted the fixie you bought.

    Did you do a test ride before the rebuild, so you know how differently it feels after the rebuild?

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  2. Hey Adventure,
    First Thank You. Regrettably there was a "cold rain" the day I brought it home. Latter that day the rain turned to snow. And it has been winter ever since. The temp this morning is 9+ F (without the wind chill). It is probably better that I did not ride the bike. As all the bearings were poorly greased and set too tight. But I do agree, it would have been nice to compare the difference. Although I can say the headset feels much smoother as does the crank/bottom bracket. And the wheels spin smoother and straighter now as well. I can honestly say. Although I have not actually ridden the bike, the individual components feel much better after a little TLC.
    If I ever modify a new bike again I will make it a point to give it a good ride beforehand. I am amazed at how sometimes the obvious ideas can elude me.
    Cheers, Hugh

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  3. DUDE!!! your wife let you do this in the living room?? and use her serving bowl for holding the disassembled freewheel?

    It is coming together nicely though. With the red and yellow tires it seems like a Mickey-D's theme bike.

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  4. I also looked over this model at my local Walmart. I was surprised to see that its bottom bracket is all-metal construction, in contrast to the new 2012 Motobecane Mirage (steel frame) that uses a synthetic polymer (resin) for part of the bottom bracket design. That 2012 Motobecane is absolute junk, in my opinion. The frame welds on old Huffys were smoother, compared to the Motobecane.

    The condition of the bearings is typical of most mass-produced bicycles. My Fuji Pulsar also arrived with all bearings over-tightened, and with a scarcity of grease. When all that was corrected, everything moved as smooth as silk.

    For an exercise bike, Walmart was advertising a Velocity model (available online) for under $300. The seat has horizontal and vertical adjustment. I think its design is comparable to uprights costing twice as much. I would like to have one, but my decades-old Weslo is still working and, with a custom-made horizontal adjustment for the seat, I can configure the fit to match my road bike.

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  5. Interesting Post Hugh, I agree the wheels look better now that the rim tire combos are the same especially the red front wheel/tire with the red fork. I guess for $99 its tough to complain about over tightened and poorly greased bearings but it makes me wonder if for a $125 or $150 price point they could have set it up "right" in the first place. But I guess then I would not have this interesting blog piece to read ;-) looking forward to the finished product.

    Ryan

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  6. Hey John,
    No she did not :) that is our basement. And the bowel is actually a paper disposable. You may have noticed I cut the handlebars in the shop/garage. There are no photographs of me truing the wheels. Because I did that on the dining room table. I did however take care to protect the table. About the wheels, I agree. I wish they were both red with red hubs. I think with the right tires that would have given the bike a very retro look. But that would have taken the build into a whole different direction.
    Living room.... lol! She won`t even let me ride my Exerciser in the living room :)
    Cheers,Hugh

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  7. Hey Fuji Pulsar88
    I liked the modern MotoBecane I owned for a short time a few years ago. But they had not gotten quite that cheap at that time. I thought the shifters integrated into the brake levers were cool. But it was difficult(for me) to keep them adjusted. Given the choice I would prefer a vintage MotoBecane. The newer models just do not have the same style and class.
    I came real close to purchasing a new stationary trainer. But I decided to work on the old Schwinn instead. I`m glad I did. I think once I find the right saddle I`ll be all set for a few years. Heck I only paid 30 or 40 bucks for the old girl. You can`t beat that with a stick!
    Cheers, Hugh

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  8. Hey Ryan,
    Thanks, I think they look a little better this way too. And your right, for 99 bucks I guess one should expect to do a lot of tweaking. But if this re-build / upgrade works out the way I hope it will. I`ll have a pretty sweet little fixed gear bike for a still very affordable price.
    The parts order arrived today. But I have car trouble this weekend. But if I can get my wife`s car squared away tomorrow, I should be able to get back at the fixed gear Monday. I can`t wait to see it with the new crank on it. I think the new crank is going to bring the whole project together.
    Cheers, Hugh

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  9. Your post got me thinking about building up a single speed/fixie for $200 and with all the sales going on I did a quick check and for two bills I could get a frameset, headset, wheels and a bb....that's it. How does Wally World do it? Hmm not sure I want to know. Still its cool to follow what you are finding when you take the Thrasher apart.

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  10. Hey Ryan,
    That does not sound all that bad. Especially considering it is probably much better equipment.
    One thing you may want to consider is building a fixed gear bike with a 3/32 as opposed to a 1/8th chain. This will allow you to use a standard crank and chain off a typical ten-speed. Just make sure you order a cog that requires a 3/32 chain. This is how I intend to build my next fixed gear bike. If I am not mistaken (and I probably am) If you use a ten speed frame with horizontal drop-outs. All you would need to purchase special would be the rear track wheel, 3/32 cog and a lock-ring. I think everything else could be standard old ten speed stuff.
    You may want to do some research first about the safety issues (if any) using a 3/32 chain. If there is a strength issue, you could always include front "and rear" brakes. Maybe not a hard-core fixed gear set-up to some. But do you really care about that anyway? It would still ride like a fixed gear.
    About how they can sell them so cheap? I think we both already know the answer to that one. That is why I very rarely shop at a WM. I
    would rather shop at a store where I don`t feel guilty walking in the door.
    I really got caught-up in the "new fixed gear bike for cheap" idea. And I allowed myself
    to cross a line I would not normally cross.
    Cheers, Hugh

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  11. I thought about me -an approaching mid-century/Clydesdale/information worker- and the term hardcore fixed gear rider and burst out laughing!

    Don't beat yourself up for getting a deal at the W, you have a pretty good "Karmic bank" for all the restoring, reusing you've done and creating excellent affordable bikes to sent out into the world that might otherwise be in a landfill or collecting dust in a garage.

    I haven't decided if, eventually, I will build up from a purpose built single speed frame or do a 10 speed remake. First I need to clear 3 project bikes out of the queue ;-)

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  12. Hey Ryan,
    Someone once said to me (actually lots of people have said) Hugh, "Your only as old as you feel." My answer is always the same, "God I hope I`m not" Don`t worry about 50. I could still do push-ups standing on my head when I was 50! Ok maybe I was more like 45. The point being that You are plenty young enough to get into as good of shape as you want to.
    So go watch a Rocky movie. Then throw a 4ft log over your shoulders and run through the snow!(up hill) lol
    And Thanks for the comments. P.S. I am putting the finishing touches on the Fixie today and tomorrow. I think it`s going to look pretty cool. I should have it posted by the weekend.
    Cheers

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  13. If you want to build a sub-$200 lugged fixie, just buy a cheap Craigslist or yard sale ten-speed (they are still out there, if you are patient), and one of these bikes. Then, swap the fixie parts to the lugged frame...

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  14. Hey Jon,
    Thanks. But we already did something like that Oct 19th 2011 "Building Fixed Gear Bike # 1". And Finished Oct 24th 2011.
    This post is about buying a Department Store Fixie ($99.00) and seeing what could be done to improve and personalize it. And do it for less than 200.00 total. I haven`t done all the math yet. But it looks like upgrading the new fixie was actually cheaper than the one I built from a ten speed. However on the next one (conversion) I will go with a 3/32 cog which will allow me to re-cycle the crank. And possibly the chain as well. (if it is good quality and in good condition)
    I`m not here to tell anyone to "do it this way" or "do it that way". I am just trying to show different options.
    I hope this did not come across (reading) like I am angry or something, because I am not.
    But I am aware that I do sometimes come across like that. And I`m working on it.
    I would like your opinion on building a fixie that uses a 3/32 chain. I am wondering if there will be a chain or crank strength issue. I am considering installing a front and rear brake to compensate for the 3/32 chain.
    Please let me know your thoughts on this.
    Cheers, Hugh

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  15. Fascinating project, Hugh! Too bad Walmart doesn't offer a "premium" version of their better bikes along with a slightly higher price. Local wrenches could pick up a handful of boxed bikes and bring them back tweaked into something a little more realistic, like you are doing with this one. Turning a Trasher into a Thrasher.

    I buy Shimano fishing gear from Walmart. What if you could get higher end bike components there?

    I paid eight bucks for an inner tube at my LBS yesterday and smiled while I did it. I was smiling because I knew I wouldn't be back.

    Yet if I want to buy my stuff off the web, shipping costs make it just as bad. I guess what I am trying to say is that although Walmart is an Evil Corporate Behemoth that is killing the Mom & Pop Shop culture of our country, I would be happy to shop there if they would use their clout to stock quality products at low prices, instead of the questionable crap they insist on foisting on a gullible public.

    Whatever the case, I look forward to seeing and reading about the Thrasher. How would you market this bike? Set up a booth in the Walmart Parking lot? That would be cool.

    OK. Any more words and this will become a Blog Post. TJ

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  16. Hey TJ,
    I would not hold my breath waiting for WalMart to stock better quality fixed-gear (or otherwise) bikes. LTMS
    I too am (or was when I fished)a fan of the Shimano quick-fire or rapid-fire spinning reels. A great reel for a reasonable price!
    About ordering on-line. I try to place large orders that qualify for free shipping.
    Also if I place a second order within 24 hours I will contact Niagara Cycle (or whoever) and ask them to combine the two orders to save on shipping. Niagara Cycle just did that for me last week.
    I think I would market this bike saying something like "Built in China, Re-Built and Modified in the USA".
    Cheers, Hugh

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  17. Cousin, I am impressed with you!! Way to go!! Looking forward to seeing you in the summer! Carole

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  18. Thanks Carole,
    Being most of us (including me) are not going be able to make it to Finland. I was hoping we could all get together again this summer. Let me know if something comes up. And if at all possible, I`m there. Thanks again :)
    Cheers, Hugh

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  19. Hugh,

    I have built quite a few fixed gear bikes using 3/32" chains, even a couple of fixed mountain bikes. I never had any issues with breakage or excess wear with them.

    I understand that you are experimenting with upgrading this bike. I didn't mean to disparage that with my remarks about replacing the frame with a lugged one. I was really just making a comment on the fact that Wal-Mart can retail bikes for less than the wholesale cost of the parts. I find that odd...

    I've been out of the bike business for a few years, and I no longer have a "wholesale connection". So I kind of keep an eye out for alternative sources of parts for certain bikes.

    When I restored my Western Flyer (which I got for my 10th birthday in 1971), I was still working at a shop, yet it was cheaper to purchase a bike from Wal-Mart and use the parts off of it than it was to buy them from J&B Importers at wholesale!

    Anyway, nice project. I have thought of doing the same thing, but I need another like fixed gear like I need a hole in my head. I am glad to see someone take the reins on this.

    Jon

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  20. Hey John,
    Thanks for the info about the 3/32 chain and cog. I was really reluctant to try it without
    hearing some feed back. That should make for a very affordable build!
    About the other thing. Forget about it! My
    "condition" (for lack of a better word)really saps my energy sometimes. And when that happens
    I can get cranky. I really need rise above how I am feeling. Especially when I am responding to an e-mail or comment. So I hope I haven`t offended you (or anyone else). My sincerest apologies if I have.
    You were 10 in 1971? Did I read that right? I was in high-school and playing my first year midget hockey. (71-72 season) Damn I really am getting old! One of my team-mates (actually our Captain) from that year made it all the way to the Philadelphia Flyers farm club. He never made it to the "Big Show" but he came real close.
    About you building another fixed-gear bike. There is always room for one more :)
    Thanks again for the info about the 3/32 chain and cog. Cheers,Hugh

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